{"id":90323,"date":"2025-04-21T08:00:58","date_gmt":"2025-04-21T12:00:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/?p=90323"},"modified":"2025-04-21T08:00:58","modified_gmt":"2025-04-21T12:00:58","slug":"meaning-in-suffering","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/2025\/04\/21\/meaning-in-suffering\/","title":{"rendered":"Finding Meaning in Suffering: Business Leadership When Your World Is Falling Apart"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-90327\" src=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Van_Gogh_-_Trauernder_alter_Mann.jpeg\" alt=\"meaning in suffering\" width=\"700\" height=\"920\" srcset=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Van_Gogh_-_Trauernder_alter_Mann.jpeg 540w, https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Van_Gogh_-_Trauernder_alter_Mann-228x300.jpeg 228w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Each year, I read <em>Man&#8217;s Search For Meaning<\/em> by Viktor Frankl. It is one of the greatest books ever written and a reminder of the best and worst of the human condition.<\/p>\n<p>The central premise of this famous book is that &#8220;to be human is to suffer,&#8221; and that how we handle our suffering defines us.<\/p>\n<p>This became an unexpected topic of conversation with my friend <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/danamalstaff\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dana Malstaff<\/a>. We were speaking at the same event recently, and I took advantage of the opportunity to bring together some friends for dinner. When the other two people paired off in conversation, Dana had a chance to say something to me privately\u2014she was going through a gut-wrenching and stressful period.<\/p>\n<p>The deep sadness on her face resonated with something buried in my own heart. For a moment, we were connected by the quiet acknowledgment that suffering, as Frankl taught, is universal\u2014sometimes the greatest comfort is knowing you&#8217;re not alone in it.<\/p>\n<p>The private moment passed as the server brought our food, and the four friends resumed a more public conversation. I felt inadequate as a friend, knowing that an opportunity to comfort her in the moment had passed.<\/p>\n<p>The next day, I flew home to the other side of the country, but I could not get that look on Dana&#8217;s face out of my mind. I wrote some words of encouragement to her based on my own experience with suffering. I knew how hard it was to keep operating as a human and a business professional when the world crashes around you.<\/p>\n<p>She appreciated my advice and suggested that our next <a href=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/podcast-the-marketing-companion-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Marketing Companion<\/a> podcast episode could explore the theme of &#8220;persisting through suffering.&#8221; How do you keep going as a business leader when your mind and body want to quit?<\/p>\n<p>I could not imagine a scarier topic. Which means &#8230; I should do it.<\/p>\n<h2>Meaning in Suffering<\/h2>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t know how this would go as a podcast episode, but I&#8217;ve learned that when something is out of my comfort zone, I need to pursue it. This is when I grow as a person.<\/p>\n<p>So Dana and I talked openly about our suffering and our strategies to persist when the world won&#8217;t let us step off to catch our breath.<\/p>\n<p>Before I turn to this conversation, I want to emphasize that I am in no way comparing myself to Viktor Frankl and the horrors he experienced in a Nazi concentration camp. I started this post with his quote because it is part of my psychological approach to life, and to introduce you to this book if you did not know it.<\/p>\n<p>As this podcast enters its thirteenth year, this episode certainly stands out as a unique and gripping human tale. While it might seem like &#8220;suffering&#8221; has nothing to do with marketing, it has everything to do with marketing, a profession that runs on empathy and understanding.<\/p>\n<h3><a href=\"https:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/marketingcompanion\/MarkAPR15-FINAL.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Click here to enjoy Marketing Companion Episode 313<\/a><\/h3>\n<p><em>The illustration on this post is &#8220;At Eternity&#8217;s Gate&#8221; by Vincent van Gogh.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-27324 size-full\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" src=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/border-line.png\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 591px) 100vw, 591px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/border-line.png 591w, https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/border-line-300x12.png 300w, https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/border-line-200x8.png 200w\" alt=\"Gen Z exposed sponnsors\" width=\"591\" height=\"24\" data-attachment-id=\"27324\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/2014\/01\/06\/content-shock\/border-line\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/border-line.png\" data-orig-size=\"591,24\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"border line\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/border-line-300x12.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/border-line.png\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Please support our sponsor, who brings you this fantastic episode.<\/p>\n<h2>Bravo for Brevo!<\/h2>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-59869\" style=\"vertical-align: baseline; border: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px 15px 5px 0px; max-width: 100%; height: auto; text-decoration: none; float: left; contain-intrinsic-size: 3000px 1500px;\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" src=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/Screen-Shot-2023-07-13-at-3.18.03-PM-300x152.png\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 241px) 100vw, 241px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/Screen-Shot-2023-07-13-at-3.18.03-PM-300x152.png 300w, https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/Screen-Shot-2023-07-13-at-3.18.03-PM-100x51.png 100w, https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/Screen-Shot-2023-07-13-at-3.18.03-PM-99x50.png 99w, https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/Screen-Shot-2023-07-13-at-3.18.03-PM.png 418w\" alt=\"Brevo coupon code\" width=\"241\" height=\"122\" data-attachment-id=\"59869\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/2023\/07\/20\/business-narrative\/screen-shot-2023-07-13-at-3-18-03-pm\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/Screen-Shot-2023-07-13-at-3.18.03-PM.png\" data-orig-size=\"418,212\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Brevo coupon code\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;Brevo coupon code&lt;\/p&gt; \" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/Screen-Shot-2023-07-13-at-3.18.03-PM-300x152.png\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/businessesgrow.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/Screen-Shot-2023-07-13-at-3.18.03-PM.png\" \/>This episode is brought to you by Brevo (formerly Sendinblue). 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